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The Vatican's investigation of women religious in the US was a long time coming.

By Ann Carey










The unprecedented decision by the Vatican to undertake an apostolic visitation to assess the quality of religious life in orders of sisters in the United States came as a big surprise to many people when it was announced in January. That surprise was doubled with the news two months later that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) will be conducting a doctrinal assessment of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR), which represents most of the leaders of US women religious.

But people who have been closely watching the deterioration of many of the women’s religious orders in this country were not at all surprised that the Vatican initiated these assessments. Indeed, many sisters themselves have asked and prayed for Vatican attention to the condition of women’s religious communities. Certainly there is concern that the numbers of sisters are plunging and ecclesial properties are being converted to secular use, but even more critical problems are evident: many sisters no longer work in apostolates related to the Church and no longer live or pray in community, and sometimes sisters even openly dissent from Church teaching on matters such as women’s ordination, homosexuality, centrality of the Eucharist, and the hierarchal nature of the Church.

Likewise, the LCWR has had a stormy relationship with the Vatican for the past 40 years, and the LCWR has been very clear about its determination to “transform” religious life as well as the Church itself.

The Vatican has said very little about the doctrinal assessment of the LCWR by the CDF, but an April 2 letter from the LCWR to its members informing them of the CDF notification was obtained by the National Catholic Reporter. That newspaper reported that the CDF was undertaking the assessment because doctrinal problems that were discussed with LCWR leadership in 2001 still remain.

Specific issues identified were acceptance of the Church’s teaching on homosexuality and women’s ordination, as well as acceptance of the doctrines reiterated in the CDF document Dominus Jesus that Christ is the savior of all humanity and that the fullness of his Church is found in the Catholic Church. The February 20, 2009, Vatican letter also reportedly said that talks given at the LCWR annual assemblies since 2001 were evidence that the doctrinal problems continue to be present.

LCWR INFLUENCE ON WOMEN RELIGIOUS

The doctrinal assessment of the LCWR is said to be unrelated to the apostolic visitation of the women’s orders, but in fact, much of the disorder in women’s communities today can be traced directly to the influence of the LCWR. The leaders of about 90 percent of the women’s religious communities in the US belong to the LCWR, which has a powerful influence on its members and their religious orders through its workshops, publications, and affiliated organizations.

Lora Ann Quinonez and Mary Daniel Turner, two sisters who were executive directors of the LCWR between 1972 and 1986, related in their 1992 tell-all book, The Transformation of American Catholic Sisters, that, “The 30-plus years of the Conference’s existence coincide with a major transitional period in society, church, and religious communities. Whether one celebrates or deplores the fact, it is widely acknowledged that the LCWR has been a force in the transformation process.” 

Thus, the back-to-back occurrence of the two assessments is not just a coincidence, and a look at the record of the LCWR sheds significant light on the Vatican decision to undertake both of these initiatives at this time.

Church-recognized organizations for heads of religious orders began in the early 1950s, when the Vatican encouraged superiors to form national conferences. At that pre-Internet time, the idea was to help superiors exchange information, support each other in building up religious life, and coordinate and cooperate with bishops and the Holy See. Canon law says that the Holy See alone has the power to erect superiors’ conferences and that the conferences are under the “supreme governance” of the Holy See, which must approve their statutes. Members of religious orders do not belong to these conferences or have any voting rights; only those in positions of “leadership” in religious orders belong.

In 1959, the Conference of Major Religious Superiors of Women’s Institutes was canonically established, but within 10 years, varying interpretations of documents issued by the Second Vatican Council encouraged activist sisters to transform the conference from an ecclesial body into an independent organization of like-minded professionals focused on women’s liberation issues.  

REMAKING THE CONFERENCE

In 1970, new by-laws were written by conference leaders and implemented before the membership could vote on them and before the Vatican approved them. These new by-laws drastically altered the nature of the conference by extending membership to entire “leadership teams,” not just the superior of an order. More progressive orders had already adopted team leadership, and thus acquired many more votes than orders maintaining the traditional, canonical model of one major superior. And this paved the way for the 1970 election of officers who were determined to re-make the conference.

Controversy over the direction of the conference, as well as the expansion and implementation of membership criteria not yet approved by the membership, caused an open rift within the LCWR. Some members complained to the leadership that the new version of statutes eliminated the ecclesial character of the organization and replaced it with a sociological and civil character, and they expressed concern about sweeping new powers given to those in charge of the LCWR.

As the leadership prepared for the September 1971 national assembly where a vote on the new statutes would occur, the Vatican asked that “particular consideration” at the assembly be given to Pope Paul VI’s new apostolic exhortation Evangelica Testificatio, which was his reflection on the strengths and weaknesses of renewal in religious orders. That request was ignored, as were concerns of members who thought the assembly program lacked a spiritual dimension. Some members also objected to the theology expressed by scheduled assembly speakers, including Father Richard McBrien and (former) Father Gregory Baum. Some superiors even boycotted the assembly because of these concerns. 

The new statutes were approved at the assembly, which again allowed voting by members admitted under the expanded definition of membership that had not yet been approved by the members or the Vatican. A last-minute amendment changed the name of the organization to the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, reportedly because the former name had “militaristic and hierarchic connotations.”

In a pattern that would be repeated over the years, the LCWR leadership neglected to inform its membership immediately about a critical issue: the Vatican was not happy about the new statutes. The LCWR president finally wrote members seven months later to inform them that the officers had been negotiating with the Vatican over their differences but thought it best to keep the matter quiet. The Holy See eventually insisted that the new statutes be amended to include acknowledgment of the authority of the bishops and the Vatican. Only after three years of negotiation did the Vatican agree to the new name, provided that the new title be followed by the sentence: “This title is to be interpreted as: the Conference of Leaders of Congregations of Women Religious of the United States of America.”

In the US bishops’ conference, some bishops suggested that they discontinue their liaison committee with the LCWR because the conference had changed its name, nature, membership, and statutes. One bishop even noted that the superiors’ conference was now defunct because it had dissolved itself and morphed into a different entity, but some sympathetic hierarchy smoothed over the differences. Many more disagreements with the Vatican and the bishops would occur over the years, some of which followed the pattern of a leadership that did not consult its members before taking controversial stands.

THE NEW AGENDA

The LCWR assembly in 1972 featured a canon lawyer who spoke on “Religious Communities as Providential Gift for the Liberation of Women” and suggested that women bring lawsuits against the Church in both civil and Church courts and stage economic boycotts of parish churches.

At the LCWR 1974 annual assembly, the membership approved a resolution calling for “all ministries in the church [to] be open to women and men as the Spirit calls them.”  Also in 1974, the LCWR published the book Widening the Dialogue, a response to Evangelica Testificatio, the Pope’s exhortation on renewal of religious life. The LCWR book was highly critical of the Pope’s teachings and was used by the LCWR in workshops for sisters.  

When the first Women’s Ordination Conference was being organized in 1975, the LCWR president appointed a sister as liaison to the group planning the event. The Vatican curial office overseeing religious subsequently directed the LCWR to dissociate itself from the ordination conference, but the LCWR officers refused, and the sister went on to become coordinator of the organizing task force for the event.  

At the 1977 assembly, the new LCWR president, Sister Joan Doyle, BVM, related that sisters were moving into “socio-political ministries” in or out of Church institutions, and she called for women’s involvement in decision-making at every level of the Church, as well as “active participation in all aspects of the church’s ministry.” It was during the 1970s that the LCWR board voted to join the National Organization for Women’s boycott of convention sites in states that had not ratified the Equal Rights Amendment, and the board obtained NGO status for the LCWR at the United Nations.

The 1978 LCWR publication Patterns in Obedience and Authority reported tensions both within religious congregations and between congregations and the US hierarchy:  “US women religious and bishops often appear to have significantly different awarenesses, interpretations, and acceptance of new insights deriving from recent church teaching and the human sciences. There are differing concepts and expectations of authority, of the structures and processes of decision-making; differing images of religious life; differing ideas of ministry and minister.”

As president of the LCWR in 1979, Sister Theresa Kane, RSM, was selected to represent US women religious in greeting Pope John Paul II on his first visit to this country. Even though the Pope had recently reiterated the Church teaching that ordination is reserved to men, Sister Theresa included in her public greeting a demand for including women in all ministries in the Church. Her action caused a further rift within the LCWR, and even more members quit the conference.

As Pope John Paul II became increasingly concerned about religious life in the US, in 1983 he appointed a commission to evaluate American religious life, and he approved a document of guidelines titled Essential Elements in Church Teaching on Religious Life. It broke no new ground, but simply summarized some key elements of religious life. Nevertheless, the LCWR was very vocal in repudiating the document.

For the 1985 LCWR assembly, Mercy Sister Margaret Farley, RSM, was invited to be a featured speaker. She was one of 40 religious who had signed a 1984 statement published in the New York Times that claimed more than one legitimate Catholic position on abortion, and she had not yet resolved her situation with the Vatican, which had directed the religious signers to recant. The US bishops’ conference and the Vatican asked the LCWR to withdraw the invitation to Sister Margaret, but the leaders refused to do so. Consequently, both Archbishop John Quinn and the apostolic delegate, Archbishop Pio Laghi, also scheduled to speak at the assembly, cancelled their appearances.

LOYAL DISSENT?

The 1988 LCWR publication Claiming Our Truth further revealed the LCWR’s socio/political agenda and highlighted the LCWR concept of religious life, declaring that sisters are “moving from maintaining existing structures to creating alternatives,” are seeking “new patterns of relating to church hierarchy,” including working for “patterns of mutual accountability with structures for responsible dissent,” and laboring for “the ongoing conversion and continual transformation of our society and our church.” This activity, the book states, may often put sisters “in conflict with established centers of power in society and church,” and “fidelity to society and church may, at times, mean loyal dissent.”

This view of religious life was reflected in the five-year goals and objectives of the LCWR for 1989-1994, which included the goal, “To develop structures of solidarity with women in order to work for the liberation of women through the transformation of social and ecclesial structures and relationships.”  

Further transformation was urged in a document developed at the joint LCWR-Conference of Major Superiors of Men (CMSM) assembly in 1989 and published in a brochure titled “Transformative Elements for Religious Life in the Future.” The elements were never voted on by the membership, but the LCWR has continued to encourage their discussion within religious communities. Among the more startling “elements” is one predicting that by 2010, religious communities will be ecumenical and open to married couples and people of different genders and sexual orientation, and vows will be optional.     

In an unprecedented move, in 1992 the Vatican canonically erected an alternate superiors’ conference for US women superiors who were increasingly reluctant to maintain any formal connection with the LCWR. The LCWR was quite unhappy about approval of the new Council of Major Superiors of Women Religious, and complained to the Vatican that approving the alternate conference was “contrary to a primary function of leadership—to promote unity and understanding.” (Superiors from about 10 percent of the women’s orders now belong to the alternate conference.)

Speakers at the 1993 LCWR assembly continued to distance women religious from the Church. Sister Mary Ann Donovan, SC, noted that “women find their efforts to live the varying forms of religious life complicated both by the view of women proper to a given society, and by the conservative nature of ecclesiastical law and custom.” Sister Margaret Brennan, IHM, a former LCWR president, said in her address that “Religious are a global movement, not just a religious phenomenon; they have a message and mission from and for the world and not merely an agenda from or for any one church.”

THE HOMOSEXUALITY ISSUE

Also in 1993, the national board of the LCWR issued a statement, “Concerning the Rights of Gay and Lesbian Persons.” That statement charged, “Recent Church documents invoke religious principles to justify discrimination against homosexual persons.” This no doubt referred to a 1992 background paper from the CDF intended for bishops but leaked to the press and misinterpreted. Also ongoing at the time was a Vatican-commissioned evaluation of public statements and activities of Father Robert Nugent, SDS, and Sister Jeannine Gramick, SND, co-founders of New Ways Ministry, an outreach to homosexual persons that had been banned in some dioceses because of its flawed philosophies.

After an 11-year study of the work of these two religious, the Vatican in 1999 permanently prohibited them from any further pastoral work involving homosexuals because: “The ambiguities and errors of the approach of Father Nugent and Sister Gramick have caused confusion among the Catholic people and have harmed the community of the Church.” Father Nugent accepted this disciplinary decision, but Sister Jeannine did not, and the LCWR rushed to her defense.  

At the 1999 assembly, where the theme was “Change at the heart of it all,” the LCWR passed a special resolution regarding the Gramick case, complaining about “a pattern in the exercise of ecclesiastical authority experienced as a source of suffering and division by many within the Catholic community.” The LCWR leadership then laid out a one-year plan to engage the bishops and the Vatican on the issue.

LCWR past president Sister Camille D’Arienzo, RSM wrote in the LCWR 2000 annual report that, in speaking to Vatican officials, the LCWR leadership found it necessary to interpret cultural differences in their discussion about Sister Jeannine’s notification. “Homosexuality is often a subject of conversation in the US, but not necessarily in other countries or the Vatican,” she explained. Similarly, “questioning and disagreement are acceptable interactions in our society, but in other settings they may be seen as disloyalty.” And referring to the visit to the Vatican, she further opined: “There are times when we question the significance of supporting a structure that is so foreign to our commitment to right relationships, to our expression of a living faith and to our desire for an inclusive Church.”

The year of lobbying and “dialogue” with the hierarchy about the Vatican’s discipline of Sister Jeannine Gramick culminated in the LCWR August 2000 assembly. In her presidential address, Sister Nancy Sylvester talked about LCWR’s “tension and conflict” with the Vatican, stating, “We believe in the power to change unjust structures and laws. We respect loyal dissent.” She continued that the sisters had been “disappointed, frustrated, angered, and deeply saddened by official responses that seem authoritarian, punitive, disrespectful of our legitimate authority as elected leaders, and disrespectful of our capacity to be moral agents.” She then presented what she called a “casualty list” sustained from dealings with Church officials. That list of injuries included: sisters who had signed the New York Times 1984 abortion statement; the 1995 Vatican letter on the ordination of women; theologians and scholars who had been silenced by the Church; the canonical approval of the alternate superiors’ conference; and the CDF discipline of Sister Jeannine Gramick. In conclusion, Sister Nancy observed: “I do believe that we are at an impasse with the official church that we love,” and she speculated about whether the Vatican would de-legitimize the LCWR.  

THE CDF AND LCWR

The events of the previous few years no doubt set the stage for the CDF to give the LCWR leadership a doctrinal warning in 2001. No public indication was given then that the CDF met with LCWR leaders about doctrinal concerns, but the LCWR leaders’ determination to reform the institutional Church through “loyal dissent” remained very public. In fact, the 2009 CDF notification reportedly indicated that the tenor and doctrinal content of addresses given at LCWR annual assemblies since the 2001 CDF-LCWR meeting were evidence that the doctrinal problems continue. 

In the LCWR 2001 annual report, Sister Mary Mollisson, CSA, LCWR president, reiterated the long-held conference strategy to keep “dialoging” with Church authorities to keep the issues open. She wrote: “In keeping with our desire for right relationships among church officials and members of the Conference, the Presidency continues a dialogue with bishops and Vatican officials. We approach this dialogue with a sense of urgency and with a passion to stay in conversations that will decrease the tension between doctrinal adherence and the pastoral needs of marginalized people. We also continue to express our desire for women to be involved in more decision-making within church structures. The risk of this part of our journey is being misunderstood and being perceived as unfaithful to the Magisterium of the church.” And she characterized Church officials as just not comprehending the sisters’ message: “Understanding of authority, obedience, communal discernment, and the prophetic nature of religious need further conversations.”

The LCWR national board agreed in 2002 to write letters of support to New Ways Ministry and chose as the theme for that year’s assembly “Leadership in Dynamic Tension.” In her presidential address to the assembly, Sister Kathleen Pruitt, CSJP continued the LCWR mantra that the Church needed to be reformed, and that LCWR sisters were the very people to do it: “The challenge to us, how best to speak clearly, to act effectively to bring about necessary change, reform, renewal, and healing within our wounded world, our nation, among ourselves, and particularly in our church.… Call for change or reform of structures, modes, and methods of acting that perpetuate exclusivity, secrecy, lack of honesty and openness, all of which foster inappropriate exercise of power, is tension-filled.” 

A LCWR press release after the 2003 assembly reported that “LCWR president Sister Mary Ann Zollmann, BVM challenged the [LCWR] leaders to maximize the potential to create change that is inherent in religious life. ‘We have uncovered within ourselves the power most necessary for the creation, salvation, and resurrection of our church, our world, and our earth. It is the power of relationship, of our sisterhood with all that is. This power is prophetic; it is the most radical act of dissent.’”

In 2004, the LCWR assembly was held jointly with the Conference of Major Superiors of Men. At that event, Father Michael H. Crosby, OFMCap. spoke on “Religious: A Prophetic Voice in the Midst of a Violent World.” He expanded the definition of violence to include “the sinful, structural, and systemic violence that has come to be canonized in a certain understanding of holiness that is increasingly promoted by the highest clerics and their house prophets in our own church.” And he noted that many of the religious at the assembly consider some of the teachings of the Magisterium to be “unjust, violent, and sinful.” He told the group: “We have not been public enough in our protest of patriarchy,” and he accused the “‘official’ patriarchal” Church of “unjustifiable violence against women, and, I would also say, against gays.”

Also in 2004, the LCWR published An Invitation to Systems Thinking: An Opportunity to Act for Systemic Change, a handbook for religious orders. One of the issues addressed in that booklet is the fact that some sisters, schooled in “a holistic, organic view of the world” and in “process, liberationist, and feminist theologies…believe that the celebration of Eucharist is so bound up with a church structure caught in negative aspects of the Western mind they can no longer participate with a sense of integrity.” The views of these sisters, the booklet advises, must be respected.

At the 2005 assembly, LCWR President Sister Christine Vladimiroff, OSB declared:  “The future of religious life is in our hands to shape for those who will follow us.” Sister Christine showed similar independence from the Church in 2001 when, as prioress of her order, she refused a directive from the Vatican to tell one of her sisters, Sister Joan Chittister, to decline an invitation to give a talk at the Women’s Ordination Worldwide conference in Dublin, Ireland.

The same Sister Joan Chittister, a former president of the LCWR, gave the keynote address at the 2006 LCWR assembly, telling the sisters: “If we proclaim ourselves to be ecclesial women we must ask if what we mean by that is that we will do what the men of the church tell us to do or that we will do what the people of the church need to have us do.” 

The presidential address at that 2006 meeting was given by LCWR president Sister Beatrice Eichten, OSF, who noted: “We religious have shifted from being ‘obedient daughters’ and a religious work force to being adult educated women with a mature identity who believe we have something to say about our church, its teaching and its practice. This shift has strained our relationship with the hierarchical church, where we experience the pain of often being invisible, relegated to third class status, and absent at the table of decision. 

“…We are challenged to keep open the door of dialogue with the hierarchical church, as we continue to ‘claim responsibility for determining [our] own identity and the meaning of religious life.’”

In accepting the LCWR 2007 Outstanding Leadership Award, Sister Joan Chittister again repeated her complaint that “women leaders have been kept out of leadership in church and state for no good reason for far too long.” And she repeated the LCWR goal of transforming religious life:  “…we ourselves are now the new small groups of women leaders who must come from one kind of religious life to begin another kind in a new and different world.”

“GROWN BEYOND” RELIGION

Perhaps the most startling talk at that 2007 LCWR assembly was the keynote address by Sister Laurie Brink, OP. Sister Laurie said that some religious communities were “sojourning,” and such a group is “no longer ecclesiastical,” having “grown beyond the bounds of institutional religion.… Religious titles, institutional limitations, ecclesiastical authorities no longer fit this congregation, which in most respects is Post-Christian.” And she went on to observe about this kind of community: “Who’s to say that the movement beyond Christ is not, in reality, a movement into the very heart of God?”  

Sister Laurie also predicted a “coming conflagration” for the American Catholic Church because of a hierarchy out of touch with the faithful: “Lay ecclesial ministers are feeling disenfranchised. Catholic theologians are denied academic freedom. Religious and lay women feel scrutinized simply because of their biology. Gays and lesbians desire to participate as fully human, fully sexual Catholics within their parishes.”

A keynote speaker for the joint LCWR-CMSM 2008 assembly was Sister Elizabeth Johnson, CSJ, who complained about “patriarchal values that, by any objective measure, relegate women to second-class status governed by male-dominated structures, law, and ritual.” And she went on to compare the Church hierarchy to the prodigal son, saying that Church officials should apologize to dissident members who reject the teachings and authority of the Catholic Church.

In her presidential address at that assembly, LCWR President Sister Mary Whited, CPPS compared the institutional Church to the Old Testament Pharaoh who enslaved the people and led an oppressive regime. And she compared the LCWR to Old Testament midwives, who refused to act on Pharaoh’s orders so that they could bring new life and hope to the people.

The Vatican obviously took note of these public declarations, and the LCWR leadership reportedly received the letter from the CDF notifying them of the doctrinal assessment on March 10, 2009. Yet the LCWR leadership did not inform their members until April 2. In a public statement later in April, the leadership indicated surprise and disappointment with the Vatican decision, and insisted they want to continue to “dialogue.”

However, with sisters openly saying that some religious orders are post-Christian, with some sisters boycotting the Eucharist, and with LCWR leaders insisting that they have a role in determining Church teaching, the marathon dialogue may be reaching the finish line.  

Ann Carey is the author of Sisters in Crisis: The Tragic Unraveling of Women’s Religious Communities. This article originally appeared in the July 2009 issue of CWR.


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Bev Malona   |2009-08-19 13:00:31
Ann Carey is to be lauded for all of the writing she has done on this topic. I read Ungodly Rage many years ago. In it she described exactly what was happening with women religious.

I do not understand why it has taken so long for an officialVatican investigation.

The average age of the LCWR membership is well over 70. Most apostolic orders have no vocations at least in the Western world. There is no remorse among the leadership.

When one former LCWR president stated that ... we are shaping those who will follow... did she realize, I wonder that the LCWR shaped nothing? No one is following!

It is sad that these well educated adult women have not reevaluated their positions in over 30 years! Well educated yes. Intelligent? In ten years
their orders in the west will disappear. The last of their ilk will be cared for in county long term care facilities. It is happening now. There will be nobody left to give out their prestigious "leadership awards" to nor will there be anyone to receive them.

I only wish the Vatican had acted sooner. Only God knows why not.

I am deeply saddened. I was formed by sisters of faith, of hope and of charity. I was educated by sisters who were realists and had their quarrels with pastors but were able to seperate the actions of one man without condeming the entire gender and hierarchy.

I miss my sisters; most are dead. I do not regret howevr that they died before their communities destroyed nearly everything they had sacrificed to accomplish. My grandaughters will never have the benefit of the love and excellent education and formation I had. To what end?

LCWR you failed our future women. You failed in the vision of your predcessors and worst of all in your blindness you failed yourselves and the true spirit of religious life.
Paul May   |2009-09-18 16:11:10
Dear Bev Malona,
Your comment could have been written by me. I can only echo your remarks, and also have a heavy heart over the fact that my own grandchildren will never know the privilege of being enriched by Religious Sister as we were.
Merrymaiden  - Compassionate correction needed   |2009-08-19 19:05:28
I hope one result of this investigation will be a very clear correction of error but also a follow up on the living conditions and circumstances of elderly nuns.
Yes many of them might have been foolish and prodigal easily swayed by erroneous theology and blind and/or misguided leadership but now that they are growing old they need kindness and compassion.Perhaps some would welcome being reattached to a thriving convent community and not left lonely in units because their own order went "modern" and sold off convents and pursued careers in education and other fields?
Ann Carey   |2009-08-19 23:57:09
Bev,Thanks for your comments. I just wanted to correct one thing: I did not write Ungodly Rage; Donna Steichen is the author of that book. My book is titled Sisters in Crisis. Let us all pray for the sisters and for the visitation to be successful in helping many religious orders.
jide  - signs of hope   |2009-09-23 06:34:21
The Church is to be lauded for this investigation. Mother Church like her head has never been know to make a hasty decision. This is certainly the work of the Hoy Spirit. Let us pray for those involved in this work, for it is very much needed
l   |2009-08-20 04:31:25
Sr. Elizabeth Johnson's quote is an illustration in a nutshell of the problem with this organization. They wail about Church leaders being out of touch with the "real people," yet it is they who are mired in the 1960's style radical feminist fury. Sisters, it is time to enter the 21st century. Women in America are free, free, free ... which does not always lead to libery, but that is another subject.
Phyllis   |2009-08-28 03:41:14
A keynote speaker for the joint LCWR-CMSM 2008 assembly was Sister Elizabeth Johnson, CSJ, who complained about “patriarchal values that, by any objective measure, relegate women to second-class status governed by male-dominated structures, law, and ritual.” And she went on to compare the Church hierarchy to the prodigal son, saying that Church officials should apologize to dissident members who reject the teachings and authority of the Catholic Church.

Elizabeth Johnson is correct.
Diane Korzeniewski  - Pride reflected in LCWR quotes is very sad     |2009-08-20 10:55:11
I have known the LCWR was "out there", but this excellent article puts things into one neat package. I remember some of these things, like Sr. Teresa Kane confronting the Pope. It was a total embarassment.

Where is the humility in these sisters?

I have news for them, they do not represent me as a woman. They do not speak for my issues. I'm a new kind of feminist - a Marian feminist. That is, one who uses the Blessed Virgin Mary as a role model, not a door mat.

While the biological solution is close at hand for many of these orders, I'm glad the Holy See is not waiting.

What's the average age of all women represented in orders of the LCWR? Probably "gray".

What is the average age of all women in exploding orders like the Dominicans of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist near Ann Arbor, MI (I think it is 26)

What is so sad to think about are the many good sisters who are in these orders and suffer under the overbearing, oppressive rule of these radical, out of touch, feminists. Pray for those sisters who are stuck - they carry a heavy cross because jumping ship alone to another order is difficult, especially when 90% of all orders belong to the LCWR.
Graham Combs  - THE LIBERAL SCANDAL   |2009-08-21 16:28:44
I hesitate to be the only man commenting here, but I hope the following is seen as relevant. Although an Episcopalian, I graduated from a Catholic high school in 1970 here in the Archdiocese of Detroit. Like too many schools, it had the Problem. In this case it involved a priest who was also the school's principal. Those details aren't relevant, What is is that the nuns who almost daily lectured us on the evils of American society (some legitimate, some exaggerated, some dishonest) and assaulted us with a hipness that was already showing the shabbiness of new things not well made, never confronted the evil in the office down the hall. I would not know the true extent of the situation until a Free Press series of articles in 2002. What I do know is that after incoherently expressing my frustration and anger -- uncertain as to just what I was dealing with -- to a nun I respected, sheconsequently spoke to me only when required. I would be ostracized for the remainder of my time there. I believe in the Faith and love the Church, but I did not become a Catholic until Easter Vigil this year. A decades long separation due in no small part to the politicalization of almost everything by religious who betrayed me and other young boys. And the Church. This ideological triaging -- abandoning the powerless individual for the Greater Cause -- is the hallmark of leftism which I would encounter again. In recent years, the Archdiocese has had to discipline a sister who used a local parish as a base for the "human rights campaign." The pastor was eventually replaced this year. I pray the Church continues to do what is right. I accept the flaws and failings that exist in all of us -- laity and religious. But the Church's integrity is on the line here. From what I know of Church history, it is a struggle that never ends. But it is a struggle that must always be engaged.
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Paul May  - Mr.   |2009-10-09 07:19:50
Dear Mr. Combs,
Thank you for your comments and insights. I too am a product of the tremendous efforts of our wonderful Religious Sisters, having graduated from high school a mere 12 years before you. I have expended much effort in an attempt to understand exactly what really happened in the hijacking of Vatican II, and what has happened to our Religious Sisters. One theme repeatedly comes to my mind, and the question of "who left who?" From the beginnings of the demise of our religious orders it has been my suspicion that it is the Church that first deserted its Women's Religious Orders, and this desertion set them adrift. The problems of the Catholic Church have always been, and what happened during and after Vatican II are extremely complex; as complicated as were the causes of the collapse of society in general. I think that as the collapse off the Church began, our Religious Sisters valiantly struggled to hold it together, especially in the case of saving the souls of the young children in their classrooms. However, as the leadership of the Church "Ecumenized" the Church, the "pill" and contraception became concepts no longer spoken of from the pulpits, and worldliness infiltrated the minds and hearts of the bishops of this nation, the hearts in the pews that wanted and needed something on which to grasp during the turbulence, were not supported in their pleas to save our Catholic Schools. Money became far too important in the mind of society, and in the minds of the bishops of our dioceses. Perhaps the most magnificent "bargain" the Church ever had, both financially and spiritually has been our Religious Sisters, and our Catholic Schools. But, even such a bargain now came to be regarded in the businesslike mind of the Church Hierarchy as just another "profit center". With the principles of Humanae Vitae being fought off, decried and hidden from their flocks by the bishops, families grew smaller and weaker and more worldly, providing less Catholic children to be educated just as the Church was losing its backbone to continue fighting for Christ against a rotting society. The first "economies" considered by most dioceses was the Catholic Schools. To end this, I suspect it was the Catholic Church that set Our Religious Sisters adrift.
Graham Combs  - THANK YOU   |2010-01-06 13:37:16
Dear Mr. May, Thank you for your insights -- I admit that there is much that I do not know about the Church, especially the Church in America. Here in the Archdiocese of Detroit, I sense a renewal and a committment to teaching the Gospel and to the Sacraments. Institutional courage may always be a rare thing -- but the Church isn't, as someone once said, Catholic, Inc. I do know that the archbishop when I was a boy, personally welcome such groups as Call to Action et al. Not a good sign. in my parish, the pastor's administrative assistant is entering the convent. And two things occurred to me. One: what a privilege it is to serve God and His Church in this way and Two: every committed religious makes this world just a bit better. Protest without prayer is action without meaning. Thank you again. I'll admit here that, given the circumstances at the time, my judgements have been harsh. No matter what the facts.

Regards,

Graham Combs
Gail F   |2009-08-22 05:56:23
"Sister Laurie also predicted a “coming conflagration” for the American Catholic Church because of a hierarchy out of touch with the faithful: “Lay ecclesial ministers are feeling disenfranchised. Catholic theologians are denied academic freedom. Religious and lay women feel scrutinized simply because of their biology. Gays and lesbians desire to participate as fully human, fully sexual Catholics within their parishes.”"

I have never read any of this before and I find the entire article shocking. This is not what I -- as a woman, a Catholic, and a person in formation for "lay ecclesial ministry" -- recognize as the Catholic Church! What dream world are these women living in? Haven't they noticed that they are talking to no one but themselves?

I also find it funny that so many non-Catholics think the Church exerts draconian power over its members, when this ongoing craziness and the tragic state of many dioceses all over the world shows that the exact opposite is true! It takes Rome a long time to do anything, and members are free to do almost anything they like no matter what the real teachings of the Church are. One is far more likely to be kicked out of a little storefront church or a mainline Protestant denomination than even a dissident Catholic Bishop or president of the LCWR is to be silenced, much less booted!
Gail Grossman Freyne   |2009-08-24 13:04:02
I too am a laywoman but have many friends in religious life. I don't think Ann Carey has a clear understanding of what is happening among the various groups, in the US or anywhere in the world. However, my main problem with this article is that it adopts the intellectually very unsophisticated method of picking out a sentence from a full presentation and thereby distorting it. This method, employed by lawyers (I am one such) is the method used not to seek the truth but to win an argument.
Accordingly for Catholic women, lay or vowed, for Catholic men, lay or vowed, this article can only be described as unhelpful at best and divisive at worst.
F.K. Juliano   |2010-05-23 12:32:57
There is no possible context in which the wretched utterances spoken by Sr. Laurie and her ilk would be justified.

You accuse Little One of taking such statements out of context in order to make a point, but I think you are the one using a rhetorical device. Claiming, without justification, that clear declarations have been taken out of context is usually the last resort of those trying to defend the indefensible.

These treacherous impostors passing themselves off as Catholic nuns thought they were laying the groundwork for those who would follow them into apostasy. But it is hard to imagine why anyone would bother to follow when the secular world offers so many opportunities, for those who reject Christ and His Church, that are both more exciting and more remunerative than becoming part of one of these rotten religious orders. And that is why LCWR is composed almost exclusively of septuagenarians.

These senescent women had better soon go in front of a priest, and a real priest, by the way, which is to say a man who has been properly ordained by Holy Catholic Church, and with a heart heavy with sincere repentance, confess the hideous sins they have committed against God and His Church.
Little One  - Criticism lacks proof   |2009-08-24 14:10:52
Gail you say the writer uses an"intellectually very unsophisticated method" yet you say this is typical of a lawyer which you say you ers ergo lawyers are intellectually unsophisticated?
If the writer's analysis contains evidence which you feel is distorted because it is taken out of context would not your letter have been more useful if you had enlightened us as to how the context changed the nature of the quotes?
Gail Grossman Freyne   |2009-08-24 15:44:47
You are quite right, little one (do you have a name?) my letter would have been more useful if I had suggested an alternative methodology - Anne Carey, if she is really a 'journalist', should have interviewed the people she quoted and asked them to elucidate on their statements, what was the context of their statements.
Larry Roach   |2009-08-26 08:27:59
I disagree. The article is not necessarily intended to be exhaustive. The context for the statements comes from the long history of such statements, and if one bothers to read the actual full text of the speeches or written pieces in question, I think most people would feel the quotes taken have not distorted the meaning of the speakers (I have done so, not necessarily in the particular cases noted above, but with regard to several other LCWR speeches/documents).

Despite the frequent recourse to obscruant academic language, the meaning of the leaders of this conference has been plain for quite some time - they are severely disaffected with the Church they claim to love, they irrevocably feel that the Church must change to suit them, and have no problem whatsoever acting and teaching in manners irreconcilable with the teachings of the Magesterium.
Anonymous   |2010-01-04 16:51:35
Larry Roach's second paragraph is the best, succinct description of this situation that I have read anywhere!
Little One  - What you should have done   |2009-08-24 17:35:57
Sorry Gail but you did not grasp my point at all.You made the assertion that the meaning of quotations in the article were distorted because they was taken out of context This implies that you knew the original context and you recognised the distortion.Having made such an assertion it was up to you to explain how the context gave a different meaning to the quotations mentionned in the piece. The comment "if she really is a journalist" does you no credit.
As to my name I am a nobody neither journalist or lawyer.
Mon Anicete   |2009-08-26 17:59:20
Well said. But what I admire is your humility.
Walter Casler  - Loves being a Catholic   |2009-08-25 04:33:18
I think that the LCWR has been missing the big pitcher. If you devote ones life to Christ, then you’re devoting yourself to the Church “and all her teachings”. Christ is the head of the Church, he is the Bride Groom and the Church is his bride.
So to dismiss the Churches teachings is to dismiss Christ. The feminist, gay groups as well as other groups that try to change Christ and his teachings are NOT doing it for the “best interests of others” or “staying in-touch with the modern world”. It’s being done to brake down the moral foundation of the Church itself. Instead of changing ones self to follow Christ, they want to change the Church to make it fit your life style.
They have been successful in carrying this out in the Protestant Church over the past 35-40 years. I’m a former Protestant and I’ve watched my old Church fall victim to this form of destruction from within, I’ve seen it loose its moral compass. This is one of the main reasons for my conversion back in 2000.
We as Catholics must hold onto the truths, teachings and history of the Church that were instituted by Christ and have been protected by the Holy See for over two thousand years. Our time here is very short, let’s not make “or allow” mistakes to happen that will harm the Church for years to come.
For the big pitcher here is not for our own justification, but it is for the Glory of God.

God Bless,
Walter Casler
Ro A   |2009-08-25 08:14:12
AMEN Brother!!!
fr. you'll do...   |2009-08-26 04:43:59
I am a priest of 13 years. I am not only watching, but experiencing the seemingly continuous contraction of numbers: priests, sisters, deacons, nuns and men religious of every stripe. I have a wide group of friends from the very conservative to the very progressive. I can't help but step back and note that in the attempt to "give the people what they want" so many of us have tried to be superficially relevant, but have missed the point. I am not exactly a devotee of Mother Angelica, for example, but I can not be honest and simply dismiss her. Why not? Well, she has produced results. The Franciscan Friars, the Domnician Sisters of Hawthorne - all of these orders and so many more are thriving NOT because they are relevant, but because they are meaningful. Perhaps the one thing so many in the Church, and especially in the "modern Western Tradition" have missed is that people are looking for meaning and connection with the Eternal, not feeling good and being superficially, if not culturally, relevant.

I don't want to imply that anything that has been updated is pointless - far from that...but when we speaking of being "Post-Christian," really in any context, perhaps we have become detached from our anchor in intellectual and spiritual humility.

As always, the hallmark of honesty for the Catholic seems to be balance. This article isn't unbalanced because it presents a view we can't swallow, it is showing the inherent imbalance in the subject itself. Kudos!
Joe Paul  - Balanced - neither hot nor cold?   |2009-08-28 04:09:16
Father, I am confused by what you mean by balance in your comments. We are supposed to be on fire for the Lord. The Lord himself says that if we are neither hot nor cold we will be spit out of his mouth. When we take our eyes off God they are usually drawn back onto ourselves. It seems to me that the challenges that US religious orders have faced in the past 40-50 years has been that they wanted to be relevant instead seeking the will of God in everything. All religious are in my prayers daily that they would lead holy and devote lives worthy of the God they serve through their service to the people of God.
Leticia Agado   |2009-08-26 06:32:12
Walter, I agree with you....
These LCWR women managed to distort and damage for many years. Their works have been self-serving and ego based (as I interpreted Gail's statements to be). No one will EVER change the church. "I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." (Matt 16:18-19). They don't represent, me nor women I know. "You shall know a tree by it's fruit." I'm glad something is being done to stop their free for all. (I also think attention needs to be put on ALL American Catholic schools because so many are not teaching our children the ways of the church. I think that "movement" knows they can influence our children, who are the future.)
Walter Casler  - Loves Being a Catholic   |2009-08-26 09:31:44
Thank you Leticia,
Its crazy, if you ask many of our Catholic children to recite the Lords Prayer or the Rosary; they just look at you. If they are not teaching the basics of the Church, then what on earth are they teaching them.
It has been a long time in coming that the Vatican will look into the problems that plague the Catholic Church of America. I know that in the end, things will be what they should be, as long as we stand together as one Catholic Church.
Lets all pray for God to help fix all of these troubles, to keep our Priest,Deacons,Nuns and all religious true to their calling, to keep us strong in our faith and help those who lost there way, to come back for the love of God and the building up of the Church. We ask this in his name, AMEN

God Bless,
Walter
J   |2009-08-28 14:54:38
"...if you ask many of our Catholic children to recite the Lords Prayer or the Rosary; they just look at you. If they are not teaching the basics of the Church, then what on earth are they teaching them."

If you look at the charism or mission statement of many religious congregations, catechetics is not part of their statement. The congregation I work with was formed to work with the poor, especially women and children. If children don't know the Lord's Prayer or the Rosary, shouldn't someone be asking why they aren't learning that at home? Why isn't that part of the preparation for first communion? Why isn't the priest or deacon in a parish making sure children have basic catechetical knowledge? Is there a curriculum for lay religious ed teachers? Blaming religious for this problem not only doesn't solve the problem, it lets everyone else off the hook for teaching the faith.
Luce   |2009-08-26 14:10:35
I personally found this article difficult to read. After so many examples of the arrogance and lack of faithfulness of these erstwhile religious women, as they time and again insulted and rejected the Church that they supposedly serve....Argh!

When I first read about the Vatican finally looking strongly into the LCWR mess, I was personally greatly relieved. It took many decades for me to realize the problems there, but I can witness factually that my *complete* lack of knowledge of the doctrines of our faith, in fact any catechetical knowledge whatsoever was due to the 2 nitwit nuns who ran our program. When I joke about learning to sing Kumbaya in CCD classes, singing along to Day by Day or Morning Has Broken to our guitar-playing, habit-and-nylons-spurning, radicalized nuns, I am not exaggerating. I think the damage done to my faith was unknowable. It wasn't until much later in life that I "rediscovered" my faith.

My non-practicing boss (New England Liberal) asked me about the NYTimes article on this, expressing outrage that "yet again a church of MEN is degrading women", I merely pointed out that just like she expects of me, the Women Religious would do well to remember who pays their salary. If they don't like their employer, let them go find jobs with ACORN, GLAAD, NOW or Planned Parenthood.
Walter Casler  - Loves Being a Catholic   |2009-08-26 18:12:27
Luce,
I can feel your anger and it’s understandable. You were let down and thank God you made up for it and found your way. Take that anger and offer it up to the Lord for the conversion of the hearts of the Sisters who may have hurt you in the past and also for the LCWR.
We must be charitable at all times when it comes to defending our faith. So with someone like your boss, ask him this. Do you like Football or Baseball? Are these sports of men degrading women? They are not allowed to be on these teams or play at this level right? Why is that? Simply, these sports have guide lines and requirements that forbid women from playing. The Church is not forbidding them from being in the Church, but they must follow the teachings, guid lines and requirements.
Why then is it OK for the NFL/MLB and not the Church to have such requirements.
Also if you want to add that, the NFL only allows women to be cheerleaders, does he find that at all degrading. Then pray for him.

God Bless,
Walter
luce  - er, no, I don't think so   |2009-08-27 08:39:08
thank you for your good words, Walter. My boss is a "she", I think you missed that and no, I will not be evangelizing or trying to change her mind on any topic. I only responded to her in the first place because she directly asked me to confirm what she had just said and I could not do that with a good conscience.
I don't feel any anger toward the nuns I grew up with, I'm just glad that in my 30s I realized that there was a reason I dont' know anything about my faith and cannot defend it, and the explanation is NOT because there is something inherently wrong with Catholicism. The reason my siblings and peers don't know anything is because we were going through catechism in the 60s and 70s and it simply wasn't being taught. I feel a relieved to know that this phase of the Church in America, at least, is passing, and I'm excited and thrilled to see and participate in it.
Peace
jennymac   |2009-08-29 16:46:14
Luce, I share your description of how you were catechized in your youth. I, too,am a child of the 70s and 80s. I went to Catholic school for 2 yrs. where we went to confession before 1st communion (it was required) but were not taken again for fear that we might not feel good about ourselves. I have told people I sponsored in RCIA that I learned that Jesus loves me, kumbaya, but nothing more. As important as the love of Jesus is (His love truly gets me through the day), it does not show how being Catholic is different from any other Christian denomination. It was not until I was challenged by nondenominational born again Christians that I started exploring the teachings of the Church. I truly fell in love with Jesus and His Church by exploring the teachings, especially those of the early Church Fathers and some of my favorite female saints (St. Catherine, St. Teresa of Avila,etc.). But it is sad that so many of my generation drifted away, I believe, because of the lack of true, concrete instruction about the teachings of the Church.
Luce  - you sound like me   |2009-08-29 17:45:50
Jennymac, your story sounds very very familiar, even the part about the non-denom attack being the reason you started exploring the teachings, and how it really deepened your Faith.

You might appreciate this cartoon, the writer must have had our same experience! http://aliveandyoung.blogspot.com/2008/12/not-said-by-jesus-sunday.html
Peace to you.
Reporter Wannabe   |2009-08-26 16:00:29
If you google Gail Grossman Freyne's name above, you will see she is with Catholics for Choice, so there you go.

http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/about/international/EuropeanAdvisoryGroup.asp
Gail Grossman Freyne   |2009-08-27 06:13:24
That is a big part of the problem for us as Catholics, Reporter Wannabee and Little Flower, we snipe and hide instead of discussing openly the major issues that beset our church. For example, the numbers of laity who have left the church, the ordination of women, the marriage of gay people, the idea that a nine year old child should be forced to carry twins to term. When our church doesn't discuss important social issues it loses credibility - which is why, of course, all the laity have left. People who attempt to bring a Catholic, moral perspective to major issues in a pluralistic society are labelled as not worth listening to with a 'there you go'. How does that help? If we all just kept talking to those who agree with us there would still be no Civil Rights for African Americans and we'ed still be praying for the perfidious Jew at Easter time, and African priests would still be forcing African nuns to have sex with them because they were the only women they could be sure were free of HIV/Aids. We really have to discuss with the other before we burn them at the stake.
Anon. E. Mouse   |2009-08-27 06:23:02
"the ordination of women, the marriage of gay people, the idea that a nine year old child should be forced to carry twins to term"

How's that worked out for the mainstream Protestant sects? They're hemorrhaging members so bad they'll be dead in decades.
Pilgrim   |2009-08-28 14:54:04
"For example, the numbers of laity who have left the church, the ordination of women, the marriage of gay people, the idea that a nine year old child should be forced to carry twins to term."

And why do laity leave the Church? Because what they see is a failure to take a stand and to differentiate themselves from society. The Church is counter-cultural.

Some Protestant denominations have been "ordaining" women but it is irrelevant, the Catholic Church cannot. Even if you don't believe the Catholic Church is Divinely governed (then why are you a Catholic?), the Church cannot go back and change something so definitively stated. It's like in Esther, King Ahasuerus had no power to change his decrees. There is no discussion, it cannot change, the Church has _no_ authority to ordain women ("Ordinatio Sacerdotalis", JPII). End of story. If you don't like it, become an Episcopalian.

The same story goes for gay marriage. It's not a marriage. Perhaps there is a legal document but that doesn't mean there is a natural, let alone sacramental, marriage. The Church also has no authority to change this. Again, if you don't like, become an Episcopalian.

As for the poor nine-year old girl who was raped and impregnated by her own step-father, why was her body raped again and the children she carried murdered? This is justice?

"no Civil Rights for African Americans"

Irrelevant.

"we'ed still be praying for the perfidious Jew at Easter time"

Funny, the only time that praying for someone is called hate speech. If we hated Jews, we'd be praying for their destruction and damnation, not their salvation.


"and African priests would still be forcing African nuns to have sex with them"

Irrelevant. Would anyone say that was not a grievous sin?

"We really have to discuss with the other before we burn them at the stake."

We proclaim the Truth. Compromise is a lie and we do not serve the God of compromise, half-truths and lies but of Truth and Righteousness.
Andrea   |2009-08-26 19:02:12
They are wearing electric blue polyester and playing drums. The one has her skirt hiked up in an unladylike manner. As a 30 F, am I really going to give up my life and join this group? Heck no! I pray for the healing of this sort of garbage going on. Goodness, how embarrassing!
Mark Brumley  - Speak for Yourself     |2009-08-27 06:41:46
Speak for yourself, Gail. I talk to people who disagree with Catholic teaching or who have left the Church all the time. So exclude me from your "we", please.

BTW, I reject women's ordination, abortion, and so-called gay marriage and I also support civil rights for all Americans and don't refer to "perfidious Jews". What's more, many Catholics who fifty years ago supported civil rights for all Americans and didn't want Jews referred to as "perfidious" today reject women's ordination, abortion, and same-sex marriage, so I don't see the connection. The fact that some advocates of civil rights and better relations between Catholics and Jews fifty years ago allowed their judgment to get distorted by excesses of the culture and wrong-headed social moments doesn't sanctify those movements or erroneous ideas. Nor does it mean that there is a conflict between advocating civil rights for all Americans and good relations with Jewish people and upholding Catholic teaching on the male nature of priestly ministry, the right to life for unborn children, or marriage as a civil institution for the support of the union of a man and a woman and to foster a stable environment for the procreation and integral formation of children.

I'll let pass without further comment the inane comment about African priests and African nuns because its crudeness speaks for itself.

If this is what passes for dialogue, I can say that you can do better.
Walter Casler  - Loves Being a Catholic   |2009-08-27 09:26:35
Gail,
Can you show me where Jesus said it’s OK to kill the unborn? Or let’s go back further, any place in the Old Testament where God said it was OK to kill the unborn. Can you show me where it promotes gay marriage, or ordination of women to the priesthood? Any place on these topics??
So are willing to go in front of Jesus and say that his teachings are wrong? Can you say openly to Jesus that you’re right and that he and his father are wrong?
You did not mention the fact that Protestants are coming into the Church more then ever. Like myself they are done with the idea that the Church needs to change for them, when Jesus said in Luke 9:23 “And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.”
As far as I can tell here Jesus never said, “oh wait I’ll change that for you, since following me is too hard”, Am I right?
These things that you clamed that happened in Africa or your perfidious Jew remark are not problems with the Church, but seem more like troubles within your own heart and mind.
As for the laity that left the Church, maybe it’s because they know that the Church won’t be molded to fit their lives. So they found a Church will embrace the idea of killing the unborn, gay marriage and a whole slue of other ideas that go against Christ own teachings.
Jesus also said in John 15:10 “If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.”
They are called commandants not suggestions. Go over them and see if any fall in line with your views of the Church and its teaching.
I’m not sniping; I’m teaching you the true Faith of the Catholic Church. If you want to learn, then loose your insecurities and open your heart to the Holy Spirit. I’ll pray for you dear, even if you don’t want me too.

God Bless,
Walter
Richard Penaskovic   |2009-08-28 03:54:22
There are a dearth of vocations to the religious orders not because there's anything wrong with the LCWR (which the article by Carey scapegoats), but because women today have more vocational options than they did 30 and 40 years ago. Back in the Fifties and Sixties women became nurses, teachers, secretaries, or homemakers. Today women can become doctors, lawyers, even truck drivers if they so prefer.The tension between the two groups of women religious mirrors the tension in the Church as a whole between liberals and conservatives.I think the Vatican should stay out of this and instead launch an investigation of parish finances and how money is spent by bishops, monsignors, and pastors/priests. If this were done, I'd find the Vatican credible instead of trying to eliminate dissent on doctrinal issues. I'm reminded of Card. Newman's quip that if I had to make an after-dinner toast, "I would drink first to conscience and then to the Pope."
bev malona  - profiler   |2009-08-29 06:18:50
Richard
Only a boomer comes up with this argument(or an LCWR member- is it Sister Richard?) One needs only to look at traditional orders of men and women to see that vocations are on the rise in these orders. If you take a close look at who is entering they are the very women you speak of professional and degreed. Doctors, lawyers(maybe even truck drivers in their second careers) etc.
Many have witnessed the hollowness of these"new" opportunities and greatly desire the reality of union here with God through authentic religious life.

Dissent on doctrinal issues eliminates itself for Catholics of today. We are sick and tired of what the dissenters call "dialogue" and is nothing more than the same old discontent experienced
through the millenia starting with those who walked away from the begining.
There is nothing wrong with questioning.
However, when you really do not believe the teachings(doctrine) to be true, be honorable and become an Episcopalian.
After all most dissenters beleive all religion to be equal(religious indifferentism) so why not? Your conscience is the supreme being who will save you, right?
Walter Casler  - Loves being a Catholic   |2009-08-28 06:17:40
First off if you're going to have a group that says its Catholic it needs to be checked on by the Vatican. Since the word Catholic means “universal” then ALL teachings must be the same, if I was to go to the moon and had a Mass up there it would the same as it is in small town USA or a little village in the Congo.
That’s why the Vatican must investigate any group that falls under the heading as Catholic. Just as I’m sure you like the ACLU watching everything from Schools to City Councils to make sure that word God is never used, talked about or even seen. You’d never ask them to stay out, right?
As for the investigation of parish finances and how money is spent by bishops, monsignors and pastors/priests. Well at the parish level they have to pay for heating, electric, water, up keep of the Church itself. Or if your parish is lucky to have a school it has all of that to attend to also.
At the Diocese level, they have to pay for the education programs, teachers, supplies. Up keep from that level to the parish level. Then there are the programs for the poor, elderly and children. Catholic Charities in the Diocese of Paterson NJ alone serves over 60,000 people each year Now take that to each Diocese in every state, add it up and then see where the moneys going. That’s just one of many charities they work with. Is the ACLU giving money to the poor or the homeless, the needy and sick? Don’t think so.
So where does all the money the ACLU, planed parenthood and Acorn go to?? Any idea? I’m sure it’s much of the same things, right?
I’ve seen so many homeless shelters under the guidance of the ACLU, Soup kitchens run by planed parenthood, and Day Care run by abortion groups.
If you want to know things, well them look them up friend, if you can’t find it ask them and they will tell you.
Cardinal Newman is often quoted as saying he would drink a toast to the Pope, but to the conscience first. Seeing the full quote, this is an unfortunate epitaph, as Newman wasn't about to drink to either: “Certainly, if I am obliged to bring religion into after-dinner toasts, (which indeed does not seem quite the thing) I shall drink to the Pope, if you please, still, to Conscience first, and to the Pope afterwards.”
Newman was merely saying, like Butler and Aquinas before him, that the conscience should have ultimate authority.
Newman was an Anglican theologian who converted to Roman Catholicism and became a Cardinal. Newman's view on the conscience can be seen as intuitionist, which makes his approach quite different from Butler and Aquinas. He says that our conscience is "the voice of God" completely distinct from our will or desires. It is an innate principle planted in us before we had the ability to reason.
Newman described conscience as a 'law of the mind', but he did not see it as giving us commandments to follow. The conscience is not a set of rules, a feeling of guilt or something that we obey in order to gain a reward from God. It is a clear indication of what is right.


God Bless,
Mark Brumley  - Really?     |2009-08-29 07:41:51
Richard, one hardly knows where to begin.

There are a dearth of vocations to the religious orders not because there's anything wrong with the LCWR (which the article by Carey scapegoats), but because women today have more vocational options than they did 30 and 40 years ago.

Your explanation may be a factor but it is not the decisive one. Why are traditional orders growing and dissent orders declining? The women who elect to join traditional orders have the same vocational opportunities as those who choose not to join orders with the LCWR vision of religious life and have opted out of religious life altogether.

If the LCWR-style religious want to self-destruct, more power to them. Just don't let them corrupt the faith of others or oppress women religious in their orders who want to be true to religious life as the Church understands it.

I think the Vatican should stay out of this and instead launch an investigation of parish finances and how money is spent by bishops, monsignors, and pastors/priests.

There are institutions of accountability in place for these other groups. Can they be made to function better? Yes. Should we make them function better? By all means. But that has nothing to do with whether we should not also have truth in labeling with religious orders. That's what the Vatican investigation is about. There is no need for an either/or here. We can have both greater accountablility in the institutions you refer to and greater accountability in religious orders that proport to be Catholic and that capitalize on their alleged Catholic identity.

I'm reminded of Card. Newman's quip that if I had to make an after-dinner toast, "I would drink first to conscience and then to the Pope."

I'll drink first to well-formed conscience--something attained with the pope's help, for the honest, informed Catholic. And I'll drink not at all to the convenient conscience, the incompetent conscience that is ill-formed and ignorant, or the deceitful, hypocritical conscience that represents itself as one thing but acts as something else. To label oneself "Catholic" and then work to promote and sustain a vision in crucial respects at odds with Catholicism is at best ignorant and misguided and at worst deceitful and hypocritical.
Walter Casler  - Loves Being a Catholic   |2009-08-29 16:32:17
AMEN Brother, you and I think a like!!
Helen Reilly   |2009-09-01 05:48:44
[color=aqua][/colr]The Vatican crackdown is long overdue - like 40 years overdue. It's very hard to put the horse back in the barn when it's been out so long. I never did understand why people who have such objections to the basic structure of the Church don't simply leave. If they don't believe in the authority of the Pope, then why are they Catholics? These people would make great Episcopalians or ELCA Lutherans.
Joseph2  - Thank you, Ann Carey!   |2009-09-13 10:13:48
This article should be read by every women religious in this country. Many of them have been kept from the real issues and "backroom intrigue" that has absolutely deformed apostolic religious life for women in many communities.
If you all want to hear the "other side" and have a strong stomach (and are in control of your anger issues!), look at the national catholic reporter web site for their take on this Visitation...paranoia and denial reigns, here, brothers and sisters.
May the Lord give His grace and strength to all those "hidden" Sisters who have been manipulated, lied to, and shamed into denying their basic rights to live consecrated religious life as the Church intends, and as they vowed.
Norah  - Why?   |2009-10-08 21:49:56
Why did it take Rome 40 years, 40 years to launch this investigation?? If this much needed investigation was undertaken even 20 years ago some of these poor deluded women would have realised their error and become true religious sisters once more. As it is they have become entrenched in their disobedience and are hanging in now so that the last ones left can take control of the communities' assets.
Barbara  - Saves Them from Themselves   |2009-11-16 14:59:24
In looking at the Websites of these two groups it's clear that these religious don't mind if their orders go out of business - they're planning on being priests.
Go on www.lcwr.org. Outraged over Sophia worship at the IHM, deep ecology at the CSJ, labyrinth walking and almost total absence of Christ at the SP, do something!
Write to:
Archbishop Pietro Sambi
Apostolic Nunciature
3339 Massachusetts Ave. NW
Washington, DC 20008

Bishop Leonard P. Blair
Committee on Doctrine USCCB
Toledo, OH 43697-0985

Msgr. Charles Brown
Congregation for the Doctrine of
the Faith
00101 Vatican City State

Franc Cardinal Rodé
Prefect
Congregation for the Institutes
of Consecrated Life & Societies of
Apostolic Life
Palazzo della Congregazioni
Piazza Pio XII, 3
00193 Roma
ITALIA
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