Francis X. Maier is a senior fellow in Catholic studies at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, Washington, D.C., a contributor to CWR, and the author of the new book True Confessions: Voices of Faith from a Life in the Church, published by Ignatius Press.
He recently corresponded with CWR, reflecting on his many conversations with bishops, priests, religious, and lay people, while also sharing insights from the words and actions of “mature, faithful Catholics” in the United States.
CWR: Why choose the title True Confessions, and why write such a book now?
Francis X. Maier: We “confess” our faith every Sunday at Mass, but also through the witness of our daily lives. I wanted to capture what confessing Jesus Christ really looks like through the voices of people who are living, or at least sincerely trying to live, a faithful Catholic life.
And also, frankly, True Confessions, the movie, is one of my all-time favorite films; it’s not a pious story — it has some very rough edges — but in the end, it’s deeply Catholic.
As for why I wrote the book now: I’ve worked in and around the Church for a long time. It’s been one of the great blessings of my life, and I wanted to show why. I think the current leadership in Rome misreads the energy and generosity, as well as the fidelity, of the Church in the United States. Our problems get highlighted, and our strengths get ignored.
There’s a 2017 La Civilta Cattolica article by Antonio Spadaro and Marcelo Figueroa that struck me at the time, and still strikes me today, as remarkably ignorant and ill-willed. But it’s also emblematic of certain ongoing Roman views.
CWR: This book, you explain, is “a snapshot of the Catholic Church in the United States in the third decade of the 21st century.” How did you take this snapshot? What was the process and how did the picture come into focus?
Maier: Originally I thought I’d write a book with my own grand analysis of Church life. But I get bored with professional Catholic commentary, including my own. It seemed more useful to actually talk to other people outside the Catholic chattering class — in other words everyday believers — about their experiences, concerns and convictions.
So that’s what I did: a lot of interviews, 103 of them over a 17-month period, all over the country; bishops, priests, permanent deacons, and religious, with a special focus on laypeople. Each had a different perspective but a single unifying theme: They all loved the Church, despite whatever worries or frustrations they might have. That’s what I was looking for, and that’s what I got: the witness of mature, faithful Catholics.
I avoided the cranks, the tepid, the obsessed, the ideologues, and the chronic complainers. They already get plenty of ink.
CWR: You have more than forty-five years of combined experience in senior diocesan service and editing a national Catholic newsweekly. How does that background and experience shape this book and inform your approach to writing it?
Maier: I got to see, intimately and for decades, how the Church and her leadership actually work from the inside. I worried at the start that the experience would shake my faith. It did exactly the opposite. It made me love the Church more, not less. The Church belongs to God, but she’s populated and run by human beings, so you get to see the warts, sins, and flaws up close. But they’re dwarfed far more frequently by the goodness, the sacrifice, and the dedication of the people you work with.
I’m a skeptical person by nature: The glass is half empty until proven otherwise. But I’ve never lost confidence in the Church. Never.
Looking back on my life, I’m the product of other people’s love: my parents’ faith, my wife’s great heart, and four beautiful kids, now grown, that have made our married life fruitful. The Church provides the meaning to all of that. She makes sense of the world. That’s the deeper backstory behind True Confessions.
Our youngest son has Down syndrome, and the Church speaks for him and persons like him more powerfully than anyone or anything else down through the centuries. If you want to know what Christian love looks like, real Christian love in the face of serious challenges, read the chapter “Special People” in the book. You won’t easily forget it.
CWR: “Extremes on both ends of the ecclesial spectrum,” you point out, “have been excluded” from the book. Do you think those extremes, in just the past couple of years, have intensified or lessened?
Maier: They’ve accelerated. The last 10 years have fueled a lot of confusion, confusion breeds more conflict, and that’s never healthy for the life of the Church, especially when she faces a great deal of external pressure and hostility.
CWR: What were some things from bishops and priests that either surprised you or pushed you to reevaluate your own perspective on particular matters?
Maier: I interviewed 30 bishops from 25 states and one foreign country. I deliberately made those particular interviews anonymous to ensure their candor. The men were remarkably frank, very human, but also uniformly good men doing their best for their people.
The priests, deacons, and religious I spoke with are named, but just as committed in their service. Nothing I heard really surprised me, but people in the pews sometimes tend to assume the worst about Church leadership and criticize too quickly.
CWR: And what about the Catholic laity in the U.S. today? Any surprises, good or bad? What are Catholic lay people most concerned about when it comes to being a Catholic today?
Maier: Again, I wasn’t interested in the merely nominal Catholic or the habitually embittered. That’s a different book for a different writer. I wanted to hear from faithful Catholics; people who take the faith seriously and try to live what they claim to believe.
Fidelity in the Church doesn’t exclude criticism, but it does imply an honest willingness to conform ourselves to her wisdom and teaching. Otherwise we’re just lying to ourselves and everybody else when we identify as “Catholic.” If there was any surprise in my work, it was finding more life and more dedication than I expected . . . along with a healthy dose of criticisms rooted in truth and Christian love.
As for specifics: Wounds from the clergy abuse scandal in the early 2000s have a long half-life, obviously. And financial mismanagement in Rome and in various dioceses in this country, along with a perceived lack of clear teaching and evangelical courage in Church leaders, triggers a lot of anger.
CWR: Attitudes towards Pope Francis are, as you write, “complex”. How would you summarize them?
Maier: American Catholics love the pope. Any pope. That includes Francis. It’s an instinct that tracks back to our years as a mission Church in a heavily Protestant, and often hostile, national culture.
But many of the people I spoke with — all of them faithful — don’t understand why Francis seems to dislike them and dislike their life as a Church in this country while tolerating an effective schism in Germany. They already have a very keen sense of what’s wrong with current U.S. culture without Rome telling them, and they’re better informed and more accurate in their concerns than many of the criticisms coming from Rome.
So they’re puzzled and frustrated. And if that kind of disjunction goes on long enough, it can turn faithful critics and questioners into enemies.
CWR: Some Catholics, it seems fair to say, are a bit cynical about “renewal.” But there certainly is renewal. First, what positive changes—renewals—have you witnessed in your 45 years of public life? Secondly, what are the weaknesses and the ongoing challenges?
Maier: On the positive side, our seminaries are much healthier than they were 30 years ago; they’re producing a generation of well-formed, dedicated young priests; and excellent lay movements and apostolates are on the upswing. On the downside, our numbers are dwindling, and the trend will likely continue for at least a couple decades. That can lead to apathy, despair, or a retreat into nostalgia — none of which serves the Gospel, and none of which is warranted.
CWR: What do you think readers can or should get out of reading this book? How will it help them in their personal lives, their parish, and beyond?
Maier: I wrote the book to communicate hope; that’s what I experienced in developing it, and that’s what I wish for every reader. Nostalgia — the yearning for an imagined past — ends by sapping our energy and killing the spirit, but remembering our history as a believing people, fully and accurately and learning from it, is tremendously medicinal; it’s a wellspring of hope.
History matters because it teaches us humility. But it also teaches us hope, because it reminds us that things have been much worse for the Church many times before, and God has never abandoned his people. Nor will he now, because he loves us. We just need to believe it.
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A great book, for sure, but can Maier score in the red zone?
We read that Pope Francis actually met with the new president of Argentina https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/256802/meeting-between-pope-francis-and-argentine-president-signals-possible-turn-in-relationship
The next best thing, for the Church in America, would be for the apostolic nuncio to personally receive a gift copy of this book—intended to then be given by him to Pope Francis during the next meeting of the two. Cardinal Christoph Pierre recently expressed his displeasure that some favored clericalists from the United States bypass him as nuncio, on their way to privileged conversations with Vatican higher ups (we can guess at the names).
So, the end game—if the game is at all fair—would be for the nuncio and others to be scheduled for a pubic gift exchange with the Pope—and probably a private an informative reading of flagged selections from the book. And, timed to immediately precede one of those elitist back-door sessions…
Very synodal, the “listening” thing.
As the mother of a daughter who developed a same-sex sexual attraction as the result of the perfect storm, I Love my daughter, as I Love all my children, and because I Love her, I desire that she, like all my children, learn to develop healthy and Holy relationships and friendships that are grounded in authentic Life-affirming and Life-sustaining Love, and thus not engage in any act, in public, or in private, that denies their inherent Dignity as a beloved son or daughter.
The desire to engage in a demeaning act of any nature, does not change the nature of the demeaning act.
We can know through both Faith and reason, that identify oneself or someone else according to one’s sexual desires, inclinations, orientation, which sexually objectifies the human person, and demeans the inherent Dignity of every beloved son and daughter, in direct violation of God’s Commandment regarding lust and the sin of adultery, in order to accommodate the engaging in or affirmation of demeaning sexual acts , which regardless of the persons engaging in such acts, including if the persons are a man and woman united in marriage as husband and wife, are physically, psychologically, emotionally, and spiritually harmful, cannot ever justify the engaging in of such sinful acts.
Love, which is always rightly ordered to the inherent personal and relational Dignity of the human person, is devoid of every form of lust.
I , who was sleeping in Gethsemane , was wholly unaware that there were “two religions in the same church”, trying to coexist as if they were one. We can know through both Faith and reason, that this “mirage”, exists only for those who have been Baptized Catholic but deny the Sanctity of human life from the moment of conception and thus deny God’s intention for the Sanctity of the marital act within The Sacrament Of Holy Matrimony.
The Faithful affirm The Unity Of The Holy Ghost, and thus Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and The Teaching Of The Magisterium , grounded in Sacred Tradition, and Sacred Scripture, The Deposit Of Faith that Christ, Himself , Has Entrusted to His One, Holy, Catholic, And Apostolic Church, for The Salvation of Souls.
Let no man deceive you-
We can know that the current crisis in the Catholic Church is intentional because confusion is not of The Holy Ghost.
Any cardinal who was aware that prior to his election to the Papacy, Jorge Bergoglio, by his willingness to affirm same-sex “unions”, and thus same-sex sexual acts, had defected from Christ’s One, Holy, Catholic, And Apostolic Church, Through The Unity Of The Holy Ghost, but voted for him to be elected to the Papacy, has defected from Christ’s Church, his vote being null and void.
A Council must be Called to validly elected a Catholic to The Papacy, as Jorge Bergoglio was never canonically elected to the Papacy.
“Canon 188 §4 states that among the actions which automatically (ipso facto) cause any cleric to lose his office, even without any declaration on the part of a superior, is that of “defect[ing] publicly from the Catholic faith” .
“It is a sin to accommodate an occasion of sin and cooperate with evil.”
“Penance, Penance, Penance.”
May a Council be Called in The Name Of The Immaculate Heart Of Our Blessed Mother, Mary, so Through Our Blessed Mother’s Immaculate Heart, Peace will reign in her Beloved Son’s Church-
Dear Blessed Mother Mary, Who Through Your Fiat, Affirmed The Filioque, hear our Prayer, that your Immaculate Heart Will Triumph soon for the sake of Christ, His Church, all who will come to believe, and all prodigal sons and daughters, who, hopefully, will return to The One Body Of Christ, Through The Unity Of The Holy Ghost.
Due out Feb. 27.
I’ll be in line.
“I avoided the cranks, the tepid, the obsessed, the ideologues, and the chronic complainers”. If we leave them out we miss an opportunity to hear them out, perhaps elicit their honest issues, of what is today a large part of our suffering Church, and tend to focus on where and what we want.
Many of the described who voice their views on the internet use this technology as a safety screen that protects them, though not all from intimate dialogue and candid revelation. I’ve enjoyed Maier’s articles here and in NCReg and I’m confident that what the author has elicited has value. Perhaps he might consider a future survey of the cranks, the tepid, the obsessed, the ideologues, and the chronic complainers. Perhaps in a penitential vein during Lent.
What?! A real dialogue between the forwardist insiders on the one hand, and on the other hand all those outsider “backwardists, and fixistic and rigid bigots”…
…plus those other merely “ideological small groups,” and the cultural “special case” of all those bishops across continental Africa? Not to mention Hungary, Poland, Peru, Kazakhstan, and parts of France, Spain and even Argentina?
Now, that would make an interesting town hall meeting, or “synod,” or whatever.
Of course! Insightful. Cranks, the tepid, the obsessed, the ideologues, and the chronic complainers here are the microcosm of the macrocosm out there where we have among others an entire special case continent .